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Apollo 16 (silver) Thunderbolt Option Card Info

Note: This article only applies to the original Apollo 16 (silver). Apollo 16 mkII features built in Thunderbolt ports and does not require the Thunderbolt Option Card.

 

About Apollo Thunderbolt Option Cards

  • There are two versions of the Thunderbolt Option Card: The original (discontinued but still compatible) Thunderbolt Option Card introduced in October 2012, and the newer Thunderbolt 2 Option Card introduced in July 2014.
  • Both cards have the same behavior, with the exceptions detailed in the table below.
  • Between July 2014 and April 2015, all Apollo and Apollo 16 units shipped from the factory with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card pre-installed. As of April 2015, Apollo FireWire units shipped from the factory do not contain a Thunderbolt Option Card or Thunderbolt 2 Option Card, and Apollo 16 (silver) is discontinued.
  • Next-generation Apollo 8, Apollo 8p, and Apollo 16 mkII models ship from the factory with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card pre-installed. These models do not have FireWire ports.

Thunderbolt Option Card Documentation

  • This page contains all documentation related to the Thunderbolt Option Cards (there is no separate manual). Please review the information in this section carefully before installing or using the device.

Thunderbolt Option Card Installation

  • Important installation note: When removing or replacing Apollo's expansion bay cover plate screws,* take precautions to ensure the screw head sockets do not strip by inserting the hex wrench* deeply into the screw head before rotating the screws.

*4-40 x 1/4” button head cap screws, 1/16” hex wrench

  • The Thunderbolt Option Cards are designed for easy installation by the user. Detailed instructions are provided in the printed Installation & Setup Guide in the retail package. To download the Installation & Setup Guide, click here.

Note: Instructions are the same for the original Thunderbolt Option Card and the newer Thunderbolt 2 Option Card.

 

Apollo behavior with the Thunderbolt Option Card

The specific differences when using Apollo with a Thunderbolt connection versus a FireWire connection are:

  1. Data for audio I/O and UAD plug-ins used in the DAW is streamed via PCIe instead of FireWire. Therefore FireWire bandwidth limitations no longer apply, and higher UAD plug-in instance counts can be achieved (within the constraints of available UAD DSP).
  2. The minimum processing buffer of 512 samples for UAD plug-ins streamed via FireWire no longer applies (unless UAD-2 Satellite FireWire is connected*). PCIe can use smaller buffers, therefore latency is reduced for UAD plug-ins used in the DAW.
  3. FireWire tuning via the UAD Bandwidth Allocation parameter is no longer applicable (unless UAD-2 Satellite FireWire is connected*). The FireWire panel in the UAD Meter & Control Panel application does not appear when Apollo is connected via Thunderbolt, so the parameter is unavailable. Similarly, the FireWire bandwidth gauge in the UAD Meter does not appear.
  4. LiveTrack mode is available for UAD plug-ins used in the DAW. When enabled, LiveTrack mode reduces UAD processing latency via PCIe even further. LiveTrack is useful when playing virtual instruments through UAD plug-ins.

 

Determining the Thunderbolt Option Card type

  • The type of card can be determined by a visual inspection of the text on the card's mounting plate. The original Thunderbolt Option Card has port numbers silkscreened on the plate ("PORT 1" and "PORT 2"), while the newer Thunderbolt 2 Option Card does not have port numbers, as shown below. Also, the ports are slightly recessed on the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card.

 

Differences between the two option card types

  • The Thunderbolt 2 Option Card supports the Thunderbolt 2 protocol for use with 4K display monitors.
    Note: This card is fully compatible and compliant with Thunderbolt 1 ports and devices.
  • The Thunderbolt 2 Option Card does not contain FireWire circuitry.
    Important: This card is not recognized by Apollo FireWire software (FireWire audio drivers).
  • All operational differences are summarized in the table below.
Thunderbolt Card Compatibility Thunderbolt Option Card
(original)
Thunderbolt 2 Option Card
(newer)
Compatible Universal Audio Products Apollo DUO
Apollo QUAD
Apollo FireWire
Apollo 16
Apollo DUO
Apollo QUAD
Apollo FireWire
Apollo 16
Apollo 8
Apollo 8p
Apollo 16 mkII
Compatible with Thunderbolt 1 Macs? Yes Yes
Compatible with Thunderbolt 2 Macs? Yes Yes
Minimum UAD Powered Plug-Ins version (Win) UAD v9.0 and higher UAD v9.0 and higher
Minimum Windows version Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Edition) Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Edition)
Minimum UAD Powered Plug-Ins version (Mac) UAD v6.3.1 and higher
(FireWire or Thunderbolt versions)
UAD v7.7.1 and higher
(Thunderbolt versions only)
Minimum Mac OS X version Mac OS X 10.6.8
Snow Leopard (no longer tested)
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Mountain Lion (no longer tested)
UAD Thunderbolt Software compatible?
(PCIe audio drivers)
Yes Yes
Apollo FireWire software compatible?
(FireWire audio drivers)
Yes No
Connect to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2 using
UAD Thunderbolt Software (PCIe audio drivers)?
Yes Yes
Connect to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2 using
Apollo FireWire software (FireWire audio drivers)?
Yes No
Connect to Mac via FireWire using
Apollo FireWire software (FireWire audio drivers)?
Yes No
Connect to Mac via FireWire using
UAD Thunderbolt Software (PCIe audio drivers)?
No No
Apollo's FireWire ports active when connected
to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2?
Yes, with Apollo FireWire software
(FireWire audio drivers)
No
Connect UAD-2 Satellite (FireWire model) to the same
Thunderbolt bus as Apollo via the
Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter?
Yes Yes
Connect UAD-2 Satellite (FireWire model) to Apollo's
FireWire ports when connected to Mac
via Thunderbolt 1 or 2?
Yes, with Apollo FireWire software
(FireWire audio drivers)
No

 

About Thunderbolt 2

All Apollo Thunderbolt connections are compatible with both Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2 Mac systems

  • The original Thunderbolt Option Card, and the newer Thunderbolt 2 Option Card, can be connected to Macs that have Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 ports.
  • Thunderbolt 2 technology is designed for backwards compatibility with Thunderbolt 1.
  • Apollo can be connected to Mac computers that have Thunderbolt 1 ports or Thunderbolt 2 ports.

Thunderbolt 2 compared to Thunderbolt 1

  • The primary benefit of Thunderbolt 2 is to facilitate the use of 4K video displays. In general practice, there are no other operational advantages.
  • Thunderbolt 2 and Thunderbolt 1 have the same total amount of bandwidth (20 Gbps). Thunderbolt 1 has two 10 Gbps lanes while Thunderbolt 2 has one 20 Gbps lane.
  • 4K video requires more than 10 Gbps (but less than 20 Gbps) at video refresh rates higher than 30 Hz. Thunderbolt 2 enables the increased bandwidth needed to deliver 4K video resolutions at 60 Hz refresh rates.
  • Adding a Thunderbolt 1 device to a Thunderbolt 2 chain will cause subsequent Thunderbolt 2 devices in the chain to use Thunderbolt 1 protocol.
  • In general, if 4K resolutions at high video refresh rates aren’t required, Thunderbolt 1 bandwidth is more than capable for even the largest audio production needs.

Enabling 4K video with Thunderbolt 1

With Thunderbolt 1 devices such as Apollo with the original Thunderbolt Option Card, or a Thunderbolt 1 chassis connected to a Mac Thunderbolt 1 or 2 port, it is still possible use 4K displays. This can be achieved in the following ways:

  • MacBook Pro with Retina Display: Use the dedicated HDMI port, which supports 4K resolutions. The maximum refresh rate is 30 Hz in this configuration.
  • Mac Pro (Late 2013): The new Mac Pro features three pairs of dual Thunderbolt 2 ports (six ports total on three buses), and also a dedicated HDMI port. Use a dedicated Thunderbolt bus for 4K displays and a separate bus for Thunderbolt 1 peripherals, or plug directly in to the dedicated HDMI port.
  • Note that 4K displays can be used with Thunderbolt 1 Macs, however the video refresh rate is limited to 30 Hz.

Frequently Asked Questions
 
 
What are the advantages of using Thunderbolt as opposed to FireWire?

Thunderbolt supports the PCIe protocol, which means you can run more UAD plug-ins with lower latency inside the DAW compared to FireWire connections. Thunderbolt has 12 times the bandwidth of FireWire 800 and 20 times that of USB-2.

FireWire bandwidth is limited to 55 stereo UAD plug-in instances at 44.1 kHz with a 512 minimum sample buffer size. With Thunderbolt, the UAD plug-in buffer is the same as the DAW I/O buffer, and hundreds of UAD plug-in instances can be run (depending on available DSP power).

What is the difference between Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2?

Thunderbolt 1 and 2 have the same total bandwidth (20 Gbps). Thunderbolt 1 is divided into two 10 Gbps channels, whereas Thunderbolt 2 contains a single 20 Gbps channel.

What are the advantages of Thunderbolt 2 over Thunderbolt 1?

A 4K display with a refresh rate of 60 Hz requires more bandwidth than a single Thunderbolt 1 channel can provide. If you want to use a 4K display at a refresh rate higher than 30 Hz, the Mac and all Thunderbolt devices before the 4K display must be Thunderbolt 2. All currently shipping Thunderbolt 2 Macs have two Thunderbolt 2 ports, so Thunderbolt 1 devices can be connected to a different port than the 4K display.

What computers support Thunderbolt 2?

Currently, only the Mac Pro (Late 2013) and Retina MacBook Pro (Late 2013 and Mid 2014) have Thunderbolt 2 ports.

Is Apollo with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card compatible with my Thunderbolt 1 Mac?

Yes! With Thunderbolt 1 computers, the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card will perform as a Thunderbolt 1 device.

What happens if I daisy chain Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2 devices together?

Adding a Thunderbolt 1 device to a Thunderbolt 2 chain will down-shift subsequent devices to Thunderbolt 1 bandwidth (10 Gbps). This only affects 4K displays and other devices with larger-than-normal data throughput (such as large RAID storage arrays). Apollo and Apollo 16 with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can daisy chain with up to six Thunderbolt 1 and/or Thunderbolt 2 devices.

Does the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card supply bus power?

Yes. Both the original Thunderbolt Option Card and the newer Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can supply bus power to downstream devices. Note that Apollo and Apollo 16 cannot be bus powered by Thunderbolt (the included power supply is required for Apollo operation).

Can I use the FireWire ports on Apollo when it is connected to the computer via the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card?

No. Once you load the Thunderbolt firmware into an Apollo family device, the FireWire ports on Apollo are no longer functional. You can connect FireWire devices to Apollo’s second Thunderbolt port via the Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter.

Can I use the Apple Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adaptor to connect Apollo to a Mac with a FireWire port?

No. Thunderbolt does not work this way. If you need to connect Apollo to a Mac with a FireWire port, you must use the built in FireWire ports of Apollo (and the Thunderbolt 1 or 2 option card is not used in this scenario).

Note that you can use the Apple Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adapter to convert FireWire devices (like hard drives) to Apollo's Thunderbolt ports, but Apollo's Thunderbolt port must be connected to the Mac's Thunderbolt port in order to function.

How do I add the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card to Apollo?

The update is very easy. Simply remove two screws, remove the blank plate, insert the card, and replace the two screws. A free software update is available and required to complete the install.

Can I still use my Thunderbolt-equipped Apollo on a FireWire-only host computer?

Yes. Apollo comes from the factory with FireWire firmware and can be connected to the computer via FireWire or Thunderbolt.

 

 

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