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Apollo 8 & Apollo 8p Thunderbolt Option Card Info

NOTE: APOLLO 8 & APOLLO 8P ARE ONLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE THUNDERBOLT 2 OPTION CARD AND THUNDERBOLT 3 OPTION CARD.

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About Apollo Thunderbolt Option Cards

  • There are three versions of the Thunderbolt Option Card:
    • The original Thunderbolt Option Card introduced in October 2012
    • The Thunderbolt 2 Option Card introduced in July 2014
    • The newest Thunderbolt 3 Option Card introduced in April 2018
  • All three cards have the same behavior, with the exceptions detailed in the table below.
  • Between July 2014 and April 2015, all Apollo and Apollo 16 units shipped from the factory with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card pre-installed. As of April 2015, Apollo FireWire units shipped from the factory do not contain a Thunderbolt Option Card or Thunderbolt 2 Option Card, and Apollo 16 (silver) is discontinued.
  • Next-generation Apollo 8, Apollo 8p, and Apollo 16 mkII models ship from the factory with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card pre-installed. These models do not have FireWire ports.
  • The Thunderbolt 3 Option Card does not currently ship with any Apollo models, and is only available as an additional accessory. 

 

Thunderbolt Option Card Documentation

  • This page contains all documentation related to the Thunderbolt Option Cards (there is no separate manual). Please review the information in this section carefully before installing or using the device.

 

Thunderbolt Option Card Installation

  • Important installation note: When removing or replacing Apollo's expansion bay cover plate screws,* take precautions to ensure the screw head sockets do not strip by inserting the hex wrench* deeply into the screw head before rotating the screws.

*4-40 x 1/4” button head cap screws, 1/16” hex wrench

  • The Thunderbolt Option Cards are designed for easy installation by the user. Detailed instructions are provided in the printed Installation & Setup Guide in the retail package. To download the Installation & Setup Guide, click here.

Note: Instructions are the same for all three versions of the Thunderbolt Option Card.

 

Determining the Thunderbolt Option Card type

  • The type of card can be determined by a visual inspection of the ports and the text on the card's mounting plate:
    • The original Thunderbolt Option Card has port numbers silkscreened on the plate ("PORT 1" and "PORT 2"), while the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card does not have port numbers, as shown below. Also, the ports are slightly recessed on the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card.
    • The Thunderbolt 3 Option card features USB-C connectors, which are more oval in shape than the ports on the other Thunderbolt Option Cards. It also features "UNIVERSAL AUDIO, INC." silkscreened above the ports.

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Differences between the three option card types

  • The Thunderbolt 2 Option Card and Thunderbolt 3 Option Card provide support for 4K display monitors.
    Note: These cards are fully compatible and compliant with Thunderbolt 1 & 2 ports and devices on Mac. A Thunderbolt 3 port is required for compatibility with all UAD Thunderbolt devices on Windows.
  • The Thunderbolt 2 Option Card and Thunderbolt 3 Option Card do not contain FireWire circuitry.
  • All operational differences are summarized in the table below.
Thunderbolt Card Compatibility Thunderbolt Option Card Thunderbolt 2 Option Card Thunderbolt 3 Option Card
Compatible Universal Audio Products Apollo DUO
Apollo QUAD
Apollo FireWire
Apollo 16
Apollo DUO
Apollo QUAD
Apollo FireWire
Apollo 16
Apollo 8
Apollo 8p
Apollo 16 mkII
Apollo DUO
Apollo QUAD
Apollo FireWire
Apollo 16
Apollo 8
Apollo 8p
Apollo 16 mkII
Compatible with Thunderbolt 1 Macs? Yes Yes  Yes, via an adapter
Compatible with Thunderbolt 2 Macs? Yes Yes  Yes, via an adapter
Minimum UAD Powered Plug-Ins version (Win) UAD v9.0 and higher UAD v9.0 and higher  UAD v9.0 and higher
Minimum Windows version Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Edition) Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Edition)  Windows 10 64-bit (Anniversary Edition)
Minimum UAD Powered Plug-Ins version (Mac) UAD v6.3.1 and higher
(FireWire or Thunderbolt versions)
UAD v7.7.1 and higher 
(Thunderbolt versions only)
 UAD v9.0 and higher
Minimum macOS version Mac OS X 10.6.8
Snow Leopard (no longer tested)
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Mountain Lion (no longer tested)
 macOS 10.12 Sierra
UAD Thunderbolt Software compatible?
(PCIe audio drivers)
Yes Yes  Yes
Apollo FireWire software compatible? 
(FireWire audio drivers)
Yes No  No
Connect to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2 using
UAD Thunderbolt Software (PCIe audio drivers)?
Yes Yes  Yes, via an adapter
Connect to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2 using
Apollo FireWire software (FireWire audio drivers)?
Yes No  No
Connect to Mac via FireWire using
Apollo FireWire software (FireWire audio drivers)?
Yes No  No
Connect to Mac via FireWire using
UAD Thunderbolt Software (PCIe audio drivers)?
No No  No
Apollo's FireWire ports active when connected
to Mac via Thunderbolt 1 or 2?
Yes, with Apollo FireWire software
(FireWire audio drivers)
No  No
Connect UAD-2 Satellite (FireWire model) to the same 
Thunderbolt bus as Apollo via the 
Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter?
Yes Yes  Yes
Connect UAD-2 Satellite (FireWire model) to Apollo's 
FireWire ports when connected to Mac 
via Thunderbolt 1 or 2?
Yes, with Apollo FireWire software 
(FireWire audio drivers)
No  No
Provide bus power to downstream Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2 devices? Yes Yes Yes
Provide bus power to downstream Thunderbolt 3 devices? No No Yes
Connect Arrow to Apollo's Thunderbolt ports?  No No Yes

 

About Thunderbolt Connections

All Apollo Thunderbolt connections are compatible with Thunderbolt 1, Thunderbolt 2, and Thunderbolt 3 Mac systems

  • The Thunderbolt Option Card and Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can be connected directly to Macs that have Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 ports.
  • The Thunderbolt Option Card and Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can be connected to Macs that have Thunderbolt 3 ports via the Apple Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.
  • The Thunderbolt 3 Option Card can be connected to Macs that have Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 ports via the Apple Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 adapter.

A Thunderbolt 3 port is required for Thunderbolt compatibility on Windows systems

  • A Thunderbolt 3 port is required for compatibility with any UAD Thunderbolt device on Windows.
  • The Thunderbolt Option Card and Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can be connected to PCs with Thunderbolt 3 ports via a qualified Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt adapter

Thunderbolt 2 compared to Thunderbolt 1

  • The primary benefit of Thunderbolt 2 is to facilitate the use of 4K video displays. In general practice, there are no other operational advantages.
  • Thunderbolt 2 and Thunderbolt 1 have the same total amount of bandwidth (20 Gbps). Thunderbolt 1 has two 10 Gbps lanes while Thunderbolt 2 has one 20 Gbps lane.
  • 4K video requires more than 10 Gbps (but less than 20 Gbps) at video refresh rates higher than 30 Hz. Thunderbolt 2 enables the increased bandwidth needed to deliver 4K video resolutions at 60 Hz refresh rates.
  • Adding a Thunderbolt 1 device to a Thunderbolt 2 chain will cause subsequent Thunderbolt 2 devices in the chain to use Thunderbolt 1 protocol.
  • In general, if 4K resolutions at high video refresh rates aren’t required, Thunderbolt 1 bandwidth is more than capable for even the largest audio production needs.

Thunderbolt 3

  • Thunderbolt 3 has a max total bandwidth of 40 Gbps (when using a 40 Gbps Thunderbolt 3 cable).
  • Thunderbolt 3 cables are available in 20 Gbps and 40 Gbps versions. These cables have no impact on the performance of UAD Thunderbolt devices. For details, click here.
  • Like Thunderbolt 2, Thunderbolt 3 facilitates the use of 4K video displays.
  • Adding a Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2 device to a Thunderbolt 3 chain will cause subsequent devices in the chain to use the Thunderbolt protocol of that device.

Frequently Asked Questions
 
What are the differences between Thunderbolt 1, Thunderbolt 2, and Thunderbolt 3?

Thunderbolt 1 and 2 have the same total bandwidth (20 Gbps). Thunderbolt 1 is divided into two 10 Gbps channels, whereas Thunderbolt 2 contains a single 20 Gbps channel.

Thunderbolt 3 has a max bandwidth of 40 Gbps when using a 40 Gbps Thunderbolt 3 cable. Thunderbolt 3 cables are available in 20 Gbps and 40 Gbps versions.

 

Is Apollo with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card or Thunderbolt 3 Option Card compatible with my Thunderbolt 1 Mac?

Yes! With Thunderbolt 1 Mac computers, the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card or Thunderbolt 3 Option Card will perform as a Thunderbolt 1 device. The Apple Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter is required to connect the Thunderbolt 3 Option Card to Thunderbolt 1 Macs. 

What happens if I daisy chain Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2 devices together?

Adding a Thunderbolt 1 device to a Thunderbolt 2 chain will down-shift subsequent devices to Thunderbolt 1 bandwidth (10 Gbps). This only affects 4K displays and other devices with larger-than-normal data throughput (such as large RAID storage arrays). Apollo and Apollo 16 with the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can daisy chain with up to six Thunderbolt 1 and/or Thunderbolt 2 devices.

Does the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card supply bus power?

Yes. Both the original Thunderbolt Option Card and the Thunderbolt 2 Option Card can supply bus power to downstream devices. Note that Apollo and Apollo 16 cannot be bus powered by Thunderbolt (the included power supply is required for Apollo operation).

Does the Thunderbolt 3 Option Card supply bus power?

Yes. The Thunderbolt 3 Option Card provides bus power to downstream Thunderbolt 3 devices, making it possible to daisy chain bus powered Thunderbolt 3 peripherals (like Arrow) to Apollo's Thunderbolt ports. 

 

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